Specifically, the pair talks about how Communist Chinese have blackmailed U.S. politicians to the point that they can determine which legislations pass in congress. Loudon said that China was able to recruit many politicians this way: by buying them and giving them business deals and giving them a seat on the board of a Chinese bank.
However, it seems that there is a turn of the tides.
President Joe Biden has accused China of hacking and other moves, which surprised and angered Chinese leaders, who are now pushing back with punitive actions of their own.
The blows from the U.S. kept coming: sanctions and export control over the crackdown in Xinjiang; warning to international businesses about the deteriorating political climate in Hong Kong; rejection of visas for students and researchers suspected of having links with the People's Liberation Army.
The U.S. also rallied nations to accuse the Chinese Ministry of State Security of cyberespionage as well as hacking for-profit and political intrigue. These attacks have infuriated Beijing, but the Communist Party leadership is yet to find an effective strategy to counter Biden's strategies.
Biden has seemingly taken a more strategic approach by enlisting allies to join his campaign against Chinese behavior in ways that appear to have frustrated officials.
Both the U.S. and China said that they want to avoid a new Cold War, but the increasing ideological conflict shows little signs of easing, with a deterioration of relations that surprised Beijing.
"The United States has declared its comeback, but the world has changed. The United States needs to see these changes, adapt to them, and reflect upon and correct its mistakes in the past," said Le Yucheng, the vice minister of foreign affairs.
It remains unclear whether Chinese leader Xi Jinping has formally signaled a change in foreign policy strategy, but based on his public statements, patience with the Biden administration is wearing thin. (Related: Criticizing communist China even outside of China is now a punishable offense.)
China has already retaliated against American and European sanctions over its political repression in Hong Kong and Xinjiang with its own sanctions. China has reined in offerings of Chinese companies on American stock exchanges and it has stepped up its military activity in the South China Sea as well as in the water and air around Taiwan in response to the American policy of support for the island.
Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, also dismissed accusations that Americans "made up out of thin air," saying that the U.S. was the world leader when it comes to cyber-attacks.
Deng Yuwen, a former editor of a Communist Party newspaper now living in the U.S., said that many in China believe the next five years to be the most tense period in relations.
"China’s view now is that 'We are so strong that it’s no problem for us to confront you. We can confront you for as long as is necessary,'" he said.
A paper by Pew Research showed that negative views of China have increased since 2018, with 67 percent of Americans today indicating that they have "cold" feelings toward China on a "feeling thermometer," where its rating is less than 50 on a 0 to 100 scale. The intensity of these negative feelings also increased.
When asked about the first thing they think of when they think about China, Americans rarely bring up the Chinese people, its long history or culture. Instead, they focus primarily on the Chinese government, its policies and how it behaves on an international scale.
Human rights, its economy and its political system are the most referenced by Americans.
Questions about China's early handling of the first known coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan also helped fuel a dramatic decline in feelings towards the country.
The growing dissatisfaction with China's human rights practices comes as Beijing defends its labor programs in Xinjiang and imposes national security laws in Hong Kong.
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