The following is part three of an interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Hank Liers, the chief formulator of products sold by Health Products Distributors, Inc. (HPDI) (www.IntegratedHealth.com
). To see all parts of this interview, search this site for "Dr. Hank Liers."Mike:
When you say "chemically sensitive," what reactions do people show to other more mainstream supplements that use low-quality ingredients or excipients?Dr. Liers:
They may just get sick from them. They may lose the ability to think clearly. They may have pain all over their body. There may be gastrointestinal effects. Many chemically sensitive people cannot take any supplements.
For my wife, I actually designed a formula called Myo-Mag, which is mainly magnesium malate, but it has the coenzyme B vitamins, and if you look at the Kreb's cycle, she had a functional magnesium deficiency. She was not using magnesium -- even though she had plenty in her blood. Well, magnesium malate has this beautiful property; the malic acid actually kicks the Kreb's cycle into gear. Once you have the Kreb's cycle kicked into gear, then you need the magnesium to make the ATP or to use the ATP. Magnesium malate is wonderful. If you do not have B vitamins, you cannot even kick the Kreb's cycle into gear.
I put coenzyme B vitamins in Myo-Mag and I buffered it. A lot of people who are chemically sensitive, if their body gets acidic they cannot function. They will use baking soda to neutralize themselves. My wife was highly chemically sensitive for 10 years. When I designed Myo-Mag for her, she could not take any vitamin, or just maybe a couple of things that were very simple. Afterwards, she could take any vitamin. She had ATP! The world is not going to get any better by sitting back or waiting for improvement. We are pushing the envelope, and if you can get enough of it out there, it starts filtering down, especially after you see what it does for you.
How to use Rejuvenate superfoodMike:
For those reading who may be interested in trying Rejuvenate! But you are not sure how you will deal with the green color, I just wanted to mention it really is all in your head. At least what I have found useful when I first started getting into these drinks is just use a tiny bit at first. Make it a very slight green, almost like a mint ice cream green, and then you can work your way into it over time. Over time you will associate green with health.Dr. Liers:
We have people who just start by adding a little Rejuvenate! To fruit or berry smoothies, because they like the smell and the color. But once they start feeling good, we feel in the long run they will transition to more of the green stuff. That's what we are seeing. Even with me -- I wanted more fruit in the beginning -- and now it's greens, greens, greens.
Getting rid of synthetic chemicals in your bodyMike:
More and more consumers are now acutely aware of the chemical burden that is being placed on our bodies. Even mainstream journalists are aware. I think it was National Geographic that had a journalist who went and had all the testing done and found out that he had hundreds of synthetic chemicals in his organs. Dr. Gabriel Cousins down in southern Arizona is doing a lot of testing on this right now, and is finding hundreds of chemicals in the heart, the liver, the brain and the kidneys. They are embedded in all the tissues. Chlorella is really, at least in my opinion, one of the most potent detoxification nutrients available in the world. Can you talk about your knowledge of chlorella
in that context?Dr. Liers:
I agree with you, and I think detox can come about in a number of ways. Chlorophyll could be a detoxifier that will pull things out that might kill viruses that sequester the heavy metals, for example. I think the cell wall of chlorella is generally considered the thing that just grabs on to almost any toxin in the body
, whether it is heavy metals, pesticides, organic chemicals, and they have done tremendous experiments with that in Japan.
I think there are more research papers on chlorella than any substance known. They are mostly in other languages. I have seen an explosion just since we have come up with this. They were selling chlorella in these little tablets, and for years and years in little granules. Then the capsules came out. These products were good, but people were not getting the amounts they needed.
To get that detoxification effect you need to have enough of it. I decided I was going to get some powder. Then everyone was worried about dealing with powder, and it is kind of messy. It is green and I love it. If I have a green mustache it's all right with me.Mike:
Better that than a milk mustache.Dr. Liers:
That is right, much better. We started taking huge amounts, and I think we all experienced detoxification. My wife got very itchy in her skin, and she had worked in pathology labs and pipetted radioactive materials, and maybe that is a reason she was chemically sensitive. Chlorella makes her feel wonderful, but you can see the skin breaks out for some period and a lot of people say, "Oh I am breaking out."
Well, in Japan they tell people to expect this, and it is not going to be when you first take it, probably because it has a building effect. As you build maybe two or three months into it, suddenly you will break out in a rash. Then you just work your way through that, and on the other end it is like whatever it was that was causing it is now out of your body.Mike:
Well, so often a body is using its own innate processes to move toxins out to cleanse itself and the skin, of course, is the largest organ, and the skin is where many toxins escape. Yet, again, in Western Society there is so much attention paid to blocking all of these expressions.
I mean people put on antiperspirants to block perspiration, which is a very important cleansing function. I think there is a mindset shift that is important for people to understand: just because you have a rash on your skin does not mean that something is wrong. It could be that something is trying to express itself and move out.Dr. Liers:
This is so true. Back to this chemical
sensitivity issue, we have had to learn to live in a very clean environment. We have all-tile floors. We clean the house with baking soda and vinegar. We keep plastics minimized in the house. We keep molds down.
You do everything you possibly can externally, but even you do not use shampoos. You do not use soaps. Then you find out you do not need them. Actually the more you eat good, organic whole food and stay away from these chemicals, the better you smell, to the point that now, walking up to someone with a bunch of perfume on is a bad experience.Mike:
I have to speak to that, too. You know that aisle in every grocery store that has all the detergent in it? I cannot even go near it. I have actually written about body odor a lot, and when people who eat the milk, the yogurt and the butter and the animal fat, they really begin to take on the smell of those substances throughout. Chlorella is something that can really help cleanse that smell.Dr. Liers:
Interestingly enough, you cannot only do chlorella internally, chlorella externally is phenomenal. Because of all the growth factors in it, you can put it on a wound and it will just heal so fast you cannot believe it. I am a big one for using herbal poultices for spider bites and anything that gets into your skin. You have to get it out.
We use charcoal and bentonite clay and slippery elm bark, and recently we have added chlorella into that poultice basic formula. Of course the chlorella with the cell wall is going to pull heavy metals and toxins out.
With those growth factors that are in there, you are going to stimulate the regeneration and healing in the local area. It is a little bit expensive now. We use the poultices on bruises, injuries, bites, and with the chlorella added it makes a huge difference. Dr. Bernard Jensen was doing this in the early 1990s. He found that it was a wonderful thing to do. It is food therapy in more ways than you thought.
Multi-generational chemical toxicitiesMike:
Let me ask you a deeper question with the detoxification of chemicals and the role that micronutrients and micro-algae nutrients, like chlorella and CGF, can play in that; there is an increasing awareness now that the chemical burden on our population is multi-generational.
The epigenetic factors are starting to be recognized, and we are realizing that the toxic load of someone today is passed on through multiple generations. Their children really do not start with a clean slate -- they start with the burden that was inherited through factors other than straight genetics. Do you want to speak to this? What can chlorella do for it?Dr. Liers:
The first thing that hits my mind is that chlorella is a 2-billion-year-old organism or older. That means it has survived every catastrophe on earth through all the generations. It is a tremendous survivor. How do you become a tremendous survivor? Obviously, you have to be able to repair your genetics. The growth factors come into play there. There are organisms out there -- little bacteria that you can hit with radiation that would kill anybody else -- and they will so quickly repair their genes.
You have to have the nutrients in your body -- those growth factors -- to do that regeneration. As you know, chlorella can quadruple itself in 20 hours. I do not know anything else that can do that. That is indicative of the growth factors. In Japan, when they gave them to children and young animals, they grew like crazy. Not abnormally, but they just grew rapidly. In Dr. Jensen's book about chlorella you can see rabbits, chickens, and birds, and when they gave them those growth factors, those animals at the same age as the placebos were twice as big. That is quite an amazing story.
The growth factor is a major factor. People are coming to understand this now. When you talked a little bit about homeopathic factors, there may be things we do not quite understand yet about all of this. We use the term "growth factor" but we are not sure exactly how that is working and what it means.
One of the most interesting findings in research with autistic children is the role of mercury. Many experts clearly feel that mercury is a major problem in autism. You cannot get the mercury out with anything that is known. You try to and do DMSA and whatever, and they cannot get it out. They have found that viruses sequestered the heavy metals, and that the viruses were hard to get out of the body. Well, it turns out that RNA is a tremendous anti-viral substance.
Dr. Gary Gordon was giving these RNA factors to autistic children and knocking out the viruses and then getting the mercury detox. It is a more complex story. It is not like just going in and grabbing something, because somebody is on the other side saying, "No, I want it, and I am staying here." How do you get them out? It is a bigger picture. You have to be in the position not only to chelate mercury, if you could, but to knock out the viruses that are grabbing onto it even stronger than the chelation therapy.Mike:
That is interesting. How does a virus sequester heavy metals?Dr. Liers:
You will see this in the research literature more now. The therapies are aimed at knocking out the viruses, and maybe using these growth factors to make the cellular functioning better, maybe changing the cell potential, because cell potentials -- when they start coming down -- make the cell not able to function at the level it is supposed to. You are not getting things in and out right. You are not getting the Kreb's cycle right. Who knows, maybe the receptors are not even taking in T3 (thyroid hormone) and stimulating the growth of the cell? Glutathione is a phenomenal material, but when you are so toxic and have so many free radicals you can easily deplete glutathione. They are using injectables, for example, and getting extremely good results through replenishing glutathione.
About Integrated Health
Dr. Hank Liers is the chief formulator of nutritional supplements sold at Integrated Health (www.IntegratedHealth.com
), located in Southern Arizona. Integrated Health is a specialty provider of high-end nutritional supplements and superfoods, all made without filler or chemical additives of any kind. NaturalNews readers receive a 10% discount on all products from Integrated Health by using coupon code NT2008
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